From labrea!agate!ucbvax!hplabs!hpda!hpdslab!hpiacla!marki Fri Feb 19 16:58:33 PST 1988
Article 1372 of ba.food:
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>From: marki@hpiacla.HP.COM (Mark Ikemoto)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Cheese Steak sandwiches! WHERE?
Message-ID: <5620014@hpiacla.HP.COM>
Date: 19 Feb 88 06:23:24 GMT
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> The name of the place was Calvin's.

Calvin's is currently located on The Alameda in Santa Clara
(ph: 971-1105).  It's near some X-rated theaters (it's funny how
some landmarks stick out in your mind).

A previous Notes string mentioned the following places:

- Jersey's at 1781 S. Winchester Blvd., Campbell.

- The Cheese Steak Shop, 1858 Divisadero, SF.

- Owl Deli near Lawrence/101 in Sunnyvale.

- Franco's, on Moorpark east of Fulton, Sherman Oaks, Ca.

- South Philly CheeseSteaks, on Columbus in SF.

- Hot Dog Express, 154 W. El Camino Real, Sunnyvale.


Mark


From labrea!agate!pasteur!ames!amdahl!sri-unix!maslak Tue Feb 23 20:31:04 PST 1988
Article 1378 of ba.food:
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>From: maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Looking for Polish restraunts ...
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Date: 24 Feb 88 00:19:46 GMT
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Keywords: Polish goodies, ...

There is a Polish restaurant in Los Altos, Eugene's, on San
Antonio Road in the village. Eugene Witkowitz and his wife Elizabeth are the
owners; Eugene is the fellow who offered to cook dinner for the Pope
when he was here. Eugene's has pierogi..don't remember blood sausage
but I know they have kielbasa.

There's also Warsawa in Berkeley.

Gypsy Celler in Redwood City on Middlefield has
Czechoslovakian/Hungarian, which isn't quite the same thing.

Valerie Maslak


From labrea!decwrl!sun!wdl1!jtd Sat Feb 27 16:57:49 PST 1988
Article 1396 of ba.food:
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>From: jtd@wdl1.UUCP (Jeffrey T. DeMello)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Cajun Quest (Palo Alto <=> San Jose).
Message-ID: <980021@wdl1.UUCP>
Date: 27 Feb 88 08:07:15 GMT
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Try "Louisiana Territory" in Mountain View.....FANTASTIC!!!


From labrea!agate!pasteur!ames!amdcad!sun!david Tue Mar  8 20:18:52 PST 1988
Article 1406 of ba.food:
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>From: david@sun.uucp (David DiGiacomo)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Sushi, Moroccan, Persian
Message-ID: <44476@sun.uucp>
Date: 7 Mar 88 19:03:01 GMT
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Has anyone tried "Kagesushi" on El Camino in Sunnyvale?  How about the
brown rice sushi place off California Ave. ?

How does El Maghreb compare to Menara?

Any Persian restaurant preferences?  I've been to Chelokababi, Daarband,
and ??? at El Camino & Bowers but I haven't decided whether I really like
any of them.

-- 
David DiGiacomo, Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, CA  sun!david david@sun.com


From labrea!decwrl!hplabs!hpcea!hpccc!joanne Fri Apr  1 18:50:02 PST 1988
Article 1496 of ba.food:
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>From: joanne@hpccc.HP.COM (Joanne Hiratsuka)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Late-Night Bistros?
Message-ID: <3800039@hpccc.HP.COM>
Date: 29 Mar 88 19:06:07 GMT
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That's "Il Fornaio" on Waverley & University in Palo Alto.

And don't forget St. Michael's Waiting Room (next to St. Michael's Alley
restaurant) on Emerson off of Homer in Palo Alto....although if you go
late at night sometimes they've run out of some of the desserts.

Does anyone know if the Upstart Crow in Sausalito still exists?  I mean,
we lost the one in Mt. View (Old Mill), and the one in Berkeley, and the
one in Pruneyard (never saw that one!)..... did they completely go under?


From labrea!agate!eos!timelord Mon Apr 25 16:48:49 PDT 1988
Article 1556 of ba.food:
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>From: timelord@eos (G. Murdock Helms)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Review of German Restaurant
Message-ID: <598@eos.UUCP>
Date: 23 Apr 88 01:10:13 GMT
Sender: timelord@eos.UUCP
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Keywords: Black Forest Inn

Black Forest Inn, 1st Street, Los Altos.
(go all the way down San Antonio, turn left onto 1st street, it's
on your left about 2 blocks down)

Fairly nice atmosphere, somewhat reminiscent of the "Hofbrau" type
restaurants that are found in Oakland and San Francisco.  I went there
on a hot day, and was delighted to find that they have an "outdoor" section,
which is really a patio with picnic-type tables and a skylight that
doesn't really put you outside but is still nice.  

Prices were about normal ($7-14$), and service was very quick, despite
the fact that restaurant was about half full.  I got the Vienerschnitzel
(please pardon my awful spelling, I speak it better than I spell it),
which came with yummy red cabbage and German potatoe salad.  I suppose
I'm spoiled...my mom's potatoe salad has more spices in it and has a
stronger "bite" to it, whereas the Inn's was slightly bland.  The 'schnitzel
itself was also somewhat bland, and slightly tough.  After dinner I
settled on the apple pie, which was a mistake.  It didn't taste very 
good, and I strongly suspect it had not been made at the restaurant.

All in all, not a bad place, but as I prefer more flavor in my dishes,
I believe I'll try to find another German restaurant to sample.
However, if you haven't had your mother spoil you with her cooking,
you might want to give this one a try.

-Murdock

Disclaimer:  This has been my stomach speaking.


From labrea!agate!ucbvax!hplabs!hpda!hpcupt1!hpirs!kerschen Tue May  3 00:41:45 PDT 1988
Article 1575 of ba.food:
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>From: kerschen@hpirs.HP.COM (Karen Kerschen)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Looking for Russian and African/Ethiopian Restaurants
Message-ID: <540031@hpirs.HP.COM>
Date: 26 Apr 88 21:52:27 GMT
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To answer the original question (African food in/near Sunnyvale) --
there's a terrific Ethiopean restaurant on Duane, between Fair Oaks and Lawrence
Expressway (in the "Fair Oaks Plaza") called Dahlak.  The food is excellent,
and while it comes across as pretty pretenseless, the atmosphere -- soft 
lighting, handicrafts on the walls -- make it a very pleasant environment
for a liesurely repast.  We ate there before a movie on Saturday night.  The
waitress recommended the day's special -- a chicken dish cooked with peanuts,
eggplant, and okra -- and at our request, suggested complementary dishes.
A friend had recommended their salad with flax seed dressing, which proved a
toothsome (and textural) contrast to all the other dishes, which were uniformly 
well-cooked and saucy.  My companion requested a beef tartare entree (served
with a soft cheese, mixed together then doused with butter -- delish!) and
we also had a combo plate of vegies, Ethiopian style.

Anyway, the food was excellent and ample (we took some home),
and the price was reasonable -- about $22.00 for the meal.

Karen Kerschen

 


From labrea!decwrl!amdcad!pyramid!prls!mips!clp Sun May  8 16:54:29 PDT 1988
Article 1623 of ba.food:
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>From: clp@mips.COM (Carol Preston)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Seeking Thai & Korean Restaurants
Message-ID: <2146@quacky.mips.COM>
Date: 7 May 88 19:56:58 GMT
References: <407@eos.UUCP> <1270019@hpindda.HP.COM>
Reply-To: clp@mips.COM (Carol Preston)
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
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In article <1270019@hpindda.HP.COM> atkins@hpindda.HP.COM (Brian Atkins) writes:
>I read an article in last Sunday's Mercury News (5/1, Arts&Books p. 27) 
>which described "Breathtaking Thai Delights".  Here are the stars:
>	VALUE		***.5
>	PORTION		***
>	FOOD		****(!)
>	AMBIANCE	***
>	SERVICE		***
>	OVERALL		***.5
>
>It's called Bangkok Station, listed in the article at 23 Market St.,  
>(408) 292-7515.
>...

I've been there twice for lunch.  It was a couple of months ago, so the 
details are a bit sketchy.  What I remember is that the food was excellent, 
and I couldn't believe the amount of food that you received for the price
you paid.  The people were very friendly, and they came by our table many
times.  They even kept pouring our beer from the bottle into the glass
when it would get empty.  Of course this was right after they opened up,
so there weren't too many customers, and I think they wanted some feedback.

The first time was with a large group of people, and we basically ate
"family style".  I don't believe anybody found a dish that they wouldn't 
order on their own.  The second time I went was with two other people.
I wish I could remember the names of the dishes, but I order some kind
of kebob, and the others ordered a dish that came with a huge bowl of meat
in a sauce.  (Boy, isn't that descriptive).  My dish had alot of meat, but 
wasn't really filling, so since the others had so much sauce I put some on 
my rice.

I wish I could remember more.  I have been trying to find somebody to go
back there with me for quite a while.  I was going to go there again last week, 
but it is definitely out of the way, and somebody had a meeting to attend.  
There is a parking garage nearby, and that's about the only place to park. 
You may also find trying to get out of that area similar to getting out of
a maze.  I know I got lost both times trying to come back.

-- 
Carol Preston
UUCP: 	{ames,decwrl,prls,pyramid}!mips!clp  	clp@mips.com
DDD:  	(408)720-1700 x708 or (408)991-7708
USPS:   Mips Computer Systems 930 Arques Ave. Sunnyvale, CA 94086


From polya!labrea!agate!ucbvax!janus.berkeley.edu!vijaykm Wed Jul 20 13:49:28 PDT 1988
Article 1805 of ba.food:
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>From: vijaykm@janus.berkeley.edu (Vijay K Madisetti)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Greek Restaurant in Bay Area
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Date: 20 Jul 88 07:18:47 GMT
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>Follow up to Rajiv Jog's query for a good Greek place to eat.

A very nice place to eat Greek food is Asimakopoulos Cafe 
on the Potrero Hill area in SFO (it is on Connecticut/Pennsylvania
Streets, ask for directory assistance for the exact location
in San Francisco). The place is extremely popular, and serves
a number of "combination" plates of Greek food (very convenient
for the uninitiated). Their appetizers are very tasty and they
serve a variety of Greek wines. The entrees range in the
price (10-15 $) for large plates and service is very attentive. 

Vijay Madisetti
EECS/UC Berkeley
vijaykm@janus.berkeley.edu


From polya!labrea!decwrl!sgi!parcvax!gobbel Thu Jul 21 16:07:10 PDT 1988
Article 1810 of ba.food:
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>From: gobbel@parcvax.Xerox.COM (Randy Gobbel)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Greek Food in the South Bay
Summary: Mike's Xlnt is good
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Date: 21 Jul 88 01:45:55 GMT
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In article <36070004@hpindda.HP.COM> jog@hpindda.HP.COM (Rajeev Jog) writes:
>Another request:
>What does one do for Greek food in the Bay Area, esp. South Bay ?
>I looked up the yellow pages and there was only one listing
>"Mikes Xlent Foods" on Winchester (?).   Does anyone have any recommendations?

I can't claim to be an expert on Greek Food, but I ate at Mike's Xlnt - on
South Bascom, btw - recently, and thought it both very good and very
inexpensive.

-Randy
----
Randy Gobbel, Xerox PARC/SSL
Disclaimer: Opinions here are mine, not my employer's
Arpanet: gobbel.pa@xerox.com
UUCP: ...!hplabs!parcvax!gobbel


From polya!labrea!decwrl!ucbvax!ig!ames!vsi1!altnet!ernie!animal Thu Sep  1 14:13:05 PDT 1988
Article 1938 of ba.food:
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>From: animal@ernie.NECAM.COM (Alan R. Silverman)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Fish & Chips, South Bay
Summary: Tied House
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Date: 31 Aug 88 23:34:34 GMT
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In article <36070007@hpindda.HP.COM>, dwall@hpindda.HP.COM (Darren Wall) writes:
> > Fish 'n Chips :
> > ---------------
> > 
> > I'm looking for fish and chips places, preferably in the South Bay.
> > Any suggestions/recommendations ?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> 
> Yeah, try the Tied House in Mountain View.  It's not a Fish 'n Chips
> place, but they have good Fish 'n Chips. 

I have a buddy that dragged me to the Tied House.  They brew some 
great grog.  Try the sampler.


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From polya!labrea!decwrl!amdcad!sun!bluedevil!ma Sat Sep  3 16:51:26 PDT 1988
Article 1947 of ba.food:
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>From: ma%bluedevil@Sun.COM (Shing C. Ma)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: HOT spicy yum-yum ...
Keywords: hot spicy food
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Date: 3 Sep 88 01:54:49 GMT
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Hi folks:

I've a question concerning food, so I hope this is the appropriate
newsgroup to post it.

I'm a fan of HOT (spicy not temperature) food, and on the average I
consume over 1 lb of cayenne pepper a year.

Question : I know that anything consumed in excess is not good.  What
  effect will hot, spicy, yummy food, when consumed in excess, have on
  me?  At the present my stomach does not complain ... in fact, it love
  such yum-yum. :-)

Recommendation :
  If you're interested in spicy Sri Lanka cuisine, I recommend you
  to try Curry Village in San Jose (Sunnyvale-Saratoga Blvd).  The
  food tastes like home-made, the price is moderate, but there's room
  for improvement in ambiance.  Try the eggplant curry ... it's good.

  For Indian food, I recommend Sue's Kitchen (very unIndian name)
  on El Camino Real where Sunnyvale and Santa Clara meet.  As with
  Curry Village, it's small but the food and price are good.

  I've no financial interest in the store above except being their
  satisfied customers.  Please check your tel. directory for exact add..

Any other places for hot, spicy, yummy food which I should try???

Thanks,
-shing


From polya!labrea!agate!eris!mcb Thu Sep  8 13:37:32 PDT 1988
Article 1970 of ba.food:
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>From: mcb@eris.berkeley.edu (Michael C. Berch)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: on the prowl for gyros
Message-ID: <14025@agate.BERKELEY.EDU>
Date: 8 Sep 88 17:31:10 GMT
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In article <67011@sun.uucp> swilson@sun.UUCP () writes:
> I haven't been able to find any truly wonderful gyros since leaving
> Pittsburgh, PA.  I had one in the park in SF on Sunday (at whatever
> that event was called) which was good, but not great.  Can someone
> shed some gastric light on where in the Bay Area I can find gyros?
> I'm most interested in spots near Mt. View, but would be willing to
> drive the extra mile for some good ones.  I thank you and my stomach
> thanks you.

I recommend the gyros at the Greek food stand in the restaurant court
in the Fashion Island shopping center in San Mateo (off 92 near Foster
City).  The stand is called "Greek Village" or something similar.
This is not an authentic, Greek-style gyros like you might find from a
street vendor in East Coast cities, rather it is gyros meat with salad
veggies stuffed into a cut-open pita, with sliced (raw) onions and a
cold yogurt/cucumber sauce rather than the grilled onion/tomato sauce
I have had elsewhere.  Neverthless, it is quite delicious, and can be
had as a sandwich or as a dinner plate (open face, with Greek salad).
The stand also serves souvlaki, falafel, spinach pie, baklava, etc.,
all of which are tasty.

(I haven't been there since moving from the Peninsula 4 months ago, so
I hope the Greek Village hasn't changed or folded.)

Restaurant court food at malls is usually pretty dismal, but it's
sometimes fun to mix and match: pot stickers, a couple of steamed pork
buns, an order of sesame-fried chicken, and a couple of gyros make a
fun dinner for two or three people.

Michael C. Berch
mcb@eris.berkeley.edu / mcb@tis.llnl.gov / ucbvax!eris!mcb


From polya!labrea!decwrl!amdcad!ames!oliveb!sun!dianej Tue Sep 13 19:07:04 PDT 1988
Article 2006 of ba.food:
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>From: dianej@sun.uucp (Diane Jeon)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Gyros
Message-ID: <68183@sun.uucp>
Date: 14 Sep 88 00:32:37 GMT
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Recently someone was looking for a good place for Gyro's in the
south bay.  Being of greek extraction, and from the Boston area,
I sometimes find it hard to find food locally which is comparable to what I grew
up with.  But, there is a small sandwich shop in Campbell on Winchester
Blvd, in the same complex with a Safeway and the Plaza movie theatre
which is owned by some Greek imigrants.  I'm sorry I cannot remember
the name of it.  They have the best Gyros I have had in CA.  They
import their Feta cheese and Kalamata olives from Greece, and use
pitas baked at a local middle eastern bakery.  Everything is very
fresh.  You have to ask them to put Feta on though....
They will sell you the cheese, olives, bread, etc. to take home
if you are interested in making some other middle eastern recipes.

I find the ones at Valley Fair mall that someone else wrote about
good, also, but I do think they are more mass produced.  I have found the
food in general at the Food Court area of Valley Fair to be much better
than equivilent food at other malls.

Happy eating.

Diane Jeon
dianej@sun.com


From polya!labrea!teknowledge-vaxc!sri-unix!maslak Fri Oct  7 19:47:30 PDT 1988
Article 2163 of ba.food:
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>From: maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Seafood Restaurant Recommendation
Message-ID: <23009@sri-unix.SRI.COM>
Date: 6 Oct 88 18:25:51 GMT
References: <bdmvv83ffI1010FXifU@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>
Reply-To: maslak@unix.sri.com (Valerie Maslak)
Distribution: ba
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Posted: Thu Oct  6 11:25:51 1988

The Palo Alto Scotts on Embarcadero (not my favorite but some like
it, I find it crowded and a bit pretentious). Other Scotts at
Embarcadero Center or in the Marina area in San Francisco.

The Fish Market (there's one on El Camino in Palo Alto and one in
Santa Clara, noisy, sometimes a long wait, a bit spartan but great
fish, no desserts)

Duarte's in Pescadero (if you're in the mood for a scenic drive to
the coast, rustic, homestyle food, cioppino on weekends)

Hayes Street Grill (in San Francisco...absolutely TREMENDOUS fresh
seafood, wonderful service, took some Europeans here and they raved
about it)

Pacific Fresh (one in Sunnyvale, I think...a bit of a "chain"
atmosphere but decent food)

On Fisherman's Wharf, watch out. Maybe Scoma's, Pompei's Grotto?
You can get OK or terrible food on the wharf. Walkaway cocktails are
probably the high point...

Valerie Maslak


From polya!labrea!lindy!news Mon Dec 12 18:24:54 PST 1988
Article 2388 of ba.food:
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>From: XB.E70@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon Corelis)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: San Francisco Ethnic
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Date: 10 Dec 88 19:09:24 GMT
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   For some time now I've been "collecting" small ethnic restaurants
in San Francisco.  After following this newsgroup for a while, I've
decided to share my experience of these places in the hope that it
will prove interesting to other readers.  I also hope that this
posting may generate some leads on similar places I've missed -- so
if you have any suggestions (or agreements or disagreements with my
recommendations), please post them or send Email.

   Here are my own favorite SF ethnic spots.  Except where noted,
they are all small, diner-like places, usually family run, with
little decoration and cheap prices.  For the most part, they do not
take reservations or credit cards, and serve only beer and a
limited selection of wine.

   -- Columbus Italian Food Restaurant, 611 Broadway (near Grant).
This is one of those places that has been around forever without
changing much.  Generous portions of Italian and Italian/American
food -- not refined, and maybe not really "authentic," but quite
good nevertheless.

   -- Maykadeh, Green near Grant.  This Iranian restaurant is a cut
or two above the others on this list in decor, service, and price -
it almost qualifies as a "fancy" restaurant.  But it's very good
value for the money.  Authentic Persian dishes, good range of
appetizers, and daily specials.

   -- La Victoria, 24th & Alabama.  Another place that's been around
forever, not even the cook has changed in Mission district fixture
since I first set foot in it some 15 years ago.  I've never had
better, and rarely had cheaper, Mexican food.  They offer the full
range of familiar border style dishes (enchiladas, chiles rellenos,
etc.), but the specialities are the traditional family-style dishes
like menudo, pozole, and birria.  They also have a number of Mexican
chicken dishes rarely found on restaurant menus.  No liquor license,
but you can bring your own beer in.

   -- Molinari's Delicatessan, Columbus at Vallejo.  This
longstanding North Beach establishment is not strictly speaking a
restaurant.  But one can have a very pleasant lunch in warm weather
by getting their excellent "to go" salads and sandwiches and taking
them a couple of blocks away to Washington Square, or, better,
walking a few blocks up Vallejo street to the tiny park on the east
slope of Russian hill that offers spectacular views of the city and
the bay.

   --  Yuet Lee, Broadway at Stockton.  The SF Chronicle has called
this the best Chinese restaurant in the Bay Area.  I myself haven't
eaten in every Chinese restaurant in the Bay Area, but I can say
that I've never found better Chinese seafood than at this small,
plain diner.  The decor is nil, the service just adequate, but,
lord! is the food GOOD.  No liquor license, but you can bring your
own beer.  It's open until 3:00 am.  There's a branch with the same
name somewhere in the Mission, but I've never eaten there.  (I've
recently seen some reports of bad service and slippage in the
quality of food, but my own experiences and those of friends does
not bear this out.)

   --  Bow Hon, 850 Grant.  When viewed from the street level
windows on Grant Avenue, the decorless ambience of this small Chines
restaurant looks distinctly unpromising.  But there's a much nicer
room on the second floor (the food is sent up via dumb waiter, and
when is the last time you saw one of those?)  The specialty is clay
pot dishes -- Chinese stews cooked and served in clay casseroles.
There are maybe a dozen of these; Duck with Taro Root is
particularly good.  There's also a remarkably large menu of other
dishes -- try the unusual, curry-flavored Singapore Noodles.  I
can't remember if they have alcohol, since I usually order tea,
which I prefer with Chinese food unless it's hot.  (I don't believe
I've ever seen this restaurant reviewed or listed in any guide
book.)

   -- Yank Sing, 427 Battery, still has the best dim sum I've ever
had, but it's gotten quite chic and expensive.  There's a branch of
it on Stevenson St.  which I've never been to.  (Can anyone suggest
a really cheap, really good dim sum place in the city?)

   Finally, I'd like to mention some places I used to frequent but
which for some reason I haven't got around to eating at for a
several years.  There used to be a small, quite authentic Greek
place called the Athens on Mason street.  I also used to like the
Far Eastern Cafe on the 600 block of Grant, which had good Cantonese
dishes, but whose major attraction was the fact that most of the
restaurant was divided up into private booths.  The decor included
some amazingly huge and ornate old Chinese lanterns.  Finally, they
used to have excellent Szechaun food at the Yen Ching on Kearney
near (I think) Pacific.  Does anyone have any recent information on
these places?

   I hope people find this list of interest and will suggest
additions to it.  Thanks!


Jon Corelis               jon@lindy.stanford.edu
Stanford University       BITNET:  XB.E70@FORSYTHE.STANFORD.EDU


From polya!labrea!decwrl!amdcad!amdahl!rtech!gonzo!daveb Mon Dec 12 18:25:37 PST 1988
Article 2393 of ba.food:
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>From: daveb@gonzo.UUCP (Dave Brower)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: San Francisco Ethnic
Message-ID: <482@gonzo.UUCP>
Date: 11 Dec 88 19:44:17 GMT
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In <1300@lindy.Stanford.EDU> XB.E70@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon Corelis) sez:
>   --  Yuet Lee, Broadway at Stockton.  The SF Chronicle has called
>this the best Chinese restaurant in the Bay Area.  I myself haven't
>eaten in every Chinese restaurant in the Bay Area, but I can say
>that I've never found better Chinese seafood than at this small,
>plain diner.  The decor is nil, the service just adequate, but,
>lord! is the food GOOD.  No liquor license, but you can bring your
>own beer.  It's open until 3:00 am.  There's a branch with the same
>name somewhere in the Mission, but I've never eaten there.  (I've
>recently seen some reports of bad service and slippage in the
>quality of food, but my own experiences and those of friends does
>not bear this out.)

The Mission one is around the corner from my house, on 26th between
Guerrero and Valencia.  The decor is sub-nil, flourescent lights and
plastic table cloths.  It has beer.  The seafood dishes are the
specialty, and really are _very_ good.  No complaints about the service: 
I walk over and get my take out in about 5 minutes, which also obviates
the decor problem :-).

The best part for me is parking:  just pull into the garage.  Even for
non-neighborhood people it is not anywhere near as bad as Stockton.

Another excellent Chinese place away from the hustle and bustle is the
Kirin (yeah, odd name) on Geary about 26th Ave.

-dB
-- 
If life was like the movies, the music would match the picture.

{sun,mtxinu,hoptoad}!rtech!gonzo!daveb		daveb@gonzo.uucp


From polya!labrea!agate!ucbvax!unisoft!fai!johno Wed Dec 14 17:19:06 PST 1988
Article 2407 of ba.food:
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>From: johno@fai.UUCP (John Owen X5133)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Mountain food (was Duartes)
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Date: 14 Dec 88 16:29:19 GMT
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All this talk `bout food in them thar hills . . . 

Alpenrose	German Restaraunt.  Great in the summer when the bier
		garden is open (out-back - partial ocean view).  Have
		yourself a German BBQ and a Spaten.  The place is off
		Skyline Drive, about halfway between hwy 84 and 92.

Mountain	About four miles south of Alpenrose (on Skyline).  The food
House		is not bad.  Best to get a table outside on the balcony -
		the neat thing about this place is that it makes you feel
		like your miles from civilization (and you are!).

Bella Vista	The Crown Jewell of mountain eating.  Good French food and a
		spectacular view - the price of the view is included on
		the check.  For the right occasion its worth it though.

Alices		Greasy spoon.  Burgers, sandwiches, etc.  Like the mountain
Restaraunt	house when it comes to atmosphere, in that you feel miles
		from anywhere.  No this isnt the real "Alices's Restaraunt",
		in fact there never was a `real' Alice's Restaraunt.  As the
		song goes " ...this songs called Alice's Restaraunt, its about 
		Alice - and the rest-a-raunt, but Alice's Restaraunt isnt the
		name of the restaraunt, its just the name of this song, thats
		why I call this song Alice's Restaraunt ..."  I guess Arlo
		changed the names to protect the guilty ;-).

Any more Mountain Eats Reviews out there?

		
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From polya!labrea!decwrl!adobe!vonzelow Wed Dec 21 23:12:45 PST 1988
Article 2432 of ba.food:
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>From: vonzelow@adobe.COM (Jon von Zelowitz)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Caffe Sport
Message-ID: <138@adobe.COM>
Date: 22 Dec 88 04:03:10 GMT
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I ate at Cafe Sport about 3 years ago. (Anything may have changed since.)

It was extremely crowded and loud. We shared a table with a few other
unrelated people. Only parties of 4 or more could get a reservation; smaller
parties had to wait in line for one of the "seatings." The crowded
conditions were actually kind of fun (but would probably annoy many people).
I didn't like waiting in line.

There was LOTS of atmosphere. It was like being part of a big crazy Italian
family. I remember a few years ago they closed down for a while to allow the
chef to go back to Sicily to get married.

Ah yes, the food. It was very tasty. Portions are huge. Slightly expensive.
There is an emphasis on seafood. I generally don't go out for this style of
food (usually I like Asian styles), but this place was different. I've been
intending to go back soon. I may have an update for you.

BUT HERE'S MY TWO CENTS: If you want the best Italian restaurant in the
City, go a few blocks north to the New San Remo Restaurant. I don't know
much about the nomenclature of Italian food, but this stuff is so good it's
almost French. Wonderful atmosphere, fair prices, outstanding food. I hear
they have a cheap hotel above the restaurant too.

...sun!adobe!vonzelow         Jon von Zelowitz


From polya!labrea!agate!ucbvax!hplabs!hpda!hpcuhb!hpindda!tozz Thu Dec 29 16:13:34 PST 1988
Article 2446 of ba.food:
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>From: tozz@hpindda.HP.COM (Bob Tausworthe)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Best Hot and Sour soup in the valley!!!
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I'll have to put my bid for the best Hot'n'Sour soup I've ever tasted to
be at

     Kam's
     corner of 37 and Balboa
     San Fransico

     It's beyond description.

		       tozz@hpindda.hp.com


From polya!labrea!decwrl!sun!imagen!atari!portal!cup.portal.com!DeadHead Thu Dec 29 16:14:54 PST 1988
Article 2448 of ba.food:
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>From: DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Best Hot and Sour soup in the valley!!!
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>Here is a place to try.  Some of the best Hot and Sour soup I have ever had.
>Great family style tofu too.  Nice small family place with great food...
>my kind of place.
>
>  Golden Crown Restaurant
>  4537 Stevens Creek Blvd
>  Santa Clara, CA
>  408-243-9551
>
>
>enjoy!!

	For a very good intepretation of Hot and Sour Soup,  check out this
vietnamese restaurant on Forth street @ San Fernando in down town san jose,
it's called "Quoc Tec" or something. Hell it's HOT! And it's different, too.
According to a friend, this restaurant was written up once in San Francisco
FOCUS as one of thes best vienamese places in the west.


From polya!labrea!agate!helios.ee.lbl.gov!ncis.llnl.gov!ncis!lll-winken!lll-lcc!unisoft!fai!dalea Thu Jan 19 17:34:07 PST 1989
Article 2566 of ba.food:
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>From: dalea@fai.UUCP (Dale M. Arends)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Kabul...Afgani
Summary: Pretty good...
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Date: 18 Jan 89 18:40:31 GMT
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In article <20769@ames.arc.nasa.gov> watson@ames.arc.nasa.gov (John S. Watson) writes:
>In Article Message-ID: <2200039@hpcea.CE.HP.COM> chaz@hpcea.CE.HP.COM (Charlie Elman) writes:
>> I noticed a restaurant in Sunnyvale named Kabul. They say it's
>> Afgani cuisine. Has anyone been there? Any recommendations?
>
>Where's it at in Sunnyvale?    I'll go.  I'll eat anything once. :-)
>
First off, Kabul is in the small shopping area on the north-west corner of
El Camino and Pastoria (aka. Hollenbeck) behind the Carl's Jr.  Driveways
are on both El Camino and Pastoria.

My wife and I tried Kabul about 3 weeks ago and found it to be a very good
place in both atmosphere and food.  The service was efficient and courteous.
The food was properly done, with abundant portions, and had excellent flavor.  

We were there at about 6:30 PM and the place was nearly empty but by 7:00 or 
so, it was nearly full.

Since we both prefer India cuisine we won't be there often, but it is
definitely on our list of places to return to.  If you like Afgani cuisine
you should check it out.

Bon appetit!
Dale

-- 
		Dale M. Arends  (Fujitsu America Inc., San Jose, Calif.)
		dalea@fai.fai.com
		dalea@fai.UUCP
		{amdahl, pyramid, sun, unisoft, uunet}!fai!dalea

The opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.
They are entirely my own if they make sense and I disavow them if they don't.


From polya!labrea!agate!ucbvax!decwrl!adobe!vonzelow Thu Jan 19 17:34:42 PST 1989
Article 2570 of ba.food:
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>From: vonzelow@adobe.COM (Jon von Zelowitz)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Java Restaurant
Message-ID: <225@adobe.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 89 02:50:58 GMT
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My girlfriend (Ivy) and I are jaded-SF-resident-frequent-restaurant-goers.
Despite this, we were blown away by a place we just tried: the Java
Restaurant, 417 Clement (nr. 5th) SF 752-1541.

It's a small place, not very pretentious :-). They serve Indonesian food. We
went on a Saturday night and just missed the huge line that formed at 6pm.
Service was very good, prices were low. (Regular dishes $4-6).

We ordered the Rijs Stafel (Rice Table). I've wanted to eat this since I was
a wee lad reading the Amsterdam section of my Dad's copy of _Europe on $5 a
Day_. (This was a long time ago.) It's a somewhat festive buffet, which in
this case featured four appetizers and eight main dishes, plus a fried
banana for dessert. The eight main dishes come with rice.

They serve it for two or more diners, with a sliding price scale. We paid
$17 for two people. It was a *huge* amount of food.

I wasn't familiar with Indonesian food, but it's very tasty. Trying to
connect it to cuisines I've had, it has hooks from Chinese, Indian, and Thai
food.

Bottom line: a tremendous place. I'll be back soon.

   ...sun!adobe!vonzelow    Jon von Zelowitz


From polya!labrea!decwrl!pyramid!oliveb!sun!pundit!rajeev Thu Jan 19 21:02:08 PST 1989
Article 2577 of ba.food:
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>From: rajeev%pundit@Sun.COM (Sri Rajeev)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Java Restaurant
Message-ID: <86192@sun.uucp>
Date: 20 Jan 89 02:55:35 GMT
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In article <225@adobe.COM> vonzelow@adobe.UUCP (Jon von Zelowitz) writes:
>
>My girlfriend (Ivy) and I are jaded-SF-resident-frequent-restaurant-goers.
>Despite this, we were blown away by a place we just tried: the Java
>Restaurant, 417 Clement (nr. 5th) SF 752-1541.
>
>Bottom line: a tremendous place. I'll be back soon.
>
>   ...sun!adobe!vonzelow    Jon von Zelowitz

As a confirmed cheap-Southeast-Asian-food addict, I have found a couple of
other Indonesian restaurants to be good value too. They are both at
Post and Jones in the city.

1) Padang Restaurant: reasonable ambience, reasonable prices, good food
Dinner for two will probably cost you about $20. Their rijstaffel (I had
it for one) was not exceptional. Overall, pretty good.

2) Restaurant Indonesia: a hole in the wall, with prices apparently unchanged
since 1965. You will be hard pressed to spend more than $5 here per head.
The menu is quite limited, about 5 or 6 items, it has zero ambience, but
it apparently caters to the Indonesian student population. I liked
the two or three dinner combinations I have eaten there.

Indonesian food in general is quite like Thai food, except it is less spicy
and uses less coconut milk. 

Sri Rajeev	rajeev@sun.com